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C- Bewertungen

Verfasst: Mo 27. Okt 2008, 21:10
von Fluxe
Hi Leute
diesmal keine Preisfrage aber könnt Ihr mir mit den C Bewertungen auf die Sprünge helfen.
Es gibt C-1 bis C-9 wo 1 schlecht und 9 perfekt ist oder wie läuft das???
Gibts auch + und - oder andere Buchstaben????

I need Help

beste und freundliche Grüße Fluxe

Verfasst: Mo 27. Okt 2008, 21:34
von o_b_1
Manche unterscheiden sogar im Zehntel Bereich. Was ich aber für totalen Schwachsinn halte. Da soll mir doch mal einer erzählen was der Unterschied zwischen C-9.5 und C-9.6 ist.
Bewertungen sind rein subjektiv. Was für den einen C-9 ist, ist für jemand anderes gerade mal C-8.
Eine totale Schrottkarte mit tausend Stresslines, nem gecrackten, sich ablösenden gelben Blister und meinetwegen 20 Abrissen und Preisschildern ist wohl eher C-1, eine druckfrische 1977 von der Produktionslinie genommene Karte wohl eher Richtung C-10. Die Abstufung dazwischen muss sich jeder selbst definieren...

Verfasst: Mo 27. Okt 2008, 21:45
von mudo
Bei der oben beschriebenen Karte, würde ich sogar schwer zu einer C-0 tenderen! :wink:

Zum Thema: Viele lassen sich durch die C-Bewertungen bei ihrer Kaufentscheidung beeinflussen. Da - wie oben auch schon erwähnt - die C-Einordnung seeeehr subjektiv ist, würde ich sie lediglich unter sich kennenden Sammlern ernst nehmen. Ich persönlich habe schon C-9 Toys gesehen (die so angegeben waren) die lediglich nur noch Schrott waren...

Guter Tipp: Den eigenen Augen trauen und (bei EbayAuktionen z.B.) gute Bilder schicken lassen (wenn man eben nicht sehen kann wie der entsprechende Zustand ist).

Verfasst: Mo 27. Okt 2008, 22:23
von elektrolurchie
Hm, das Thema find ich allerdings auch interessant. Auch wenn ich nicht umbedingt nach Conditions bzw C-Angaben sammle. Ist denn dieses Grading nie wirklich allgemeingültig formuliert worden, zB vom AFA?

Verfasst: Mo 27. Okt 2008, 22:34
von norbertvader
Also ich gebe auf das ganze AFA, C 0815 und sonnstige Gedöns relativ wennig, ich etscheide selbst ob es für mich "Sammelwürdig" ist oder nicht, dabei hängt es auch vom jeweiligen Artikel ab, ich würde z.b. für einen Lanspeeder inkl. Box von Toltoys auch in schlechtem Zustand mehr bezahlen als für einen "normalen" Kenner in "Top" Zustand. :D

Verfasst: Mo 27. Okt 2008, 22:39
von ToyTowers
elektrolurchie hat geschrieben:Hm, das Thema find ich allerdings auch interessant. Auch wenn ich nicht umbedingt nach Conditions bzw C-Angaben sammle. Ist denn dieses Grading nie wirklich allgemeingültig formuliert worden, zB vom AFA?
Also ich glaub kaum das AFA überhaupt in der Lage wär ne subjektive Bewertung abzugeben und davon abgesehn gäbs glaub ich genug Leute die auf deren Grading dann sch***en würden ;)

IS wie gesagt alles subjektive und jeder entscheidet nach seinem Auge..glaub auch kaum das man das irgendwie allgemein formulieren kann..
ne DIN Norm für angegrabbelte Figs wirds wohl nie geben ;)

Verfasst: Mo 27. Okt 2008, 22:42
von elektrolurchie
Norbert, sehe ich ja ähnlich. Aber ne halbwegs allgemeingültige Grading-Formulierung hätte den Vorteil, daß man den ganzen Spacken, die ihren Schrott mit "C9 Topware eigentlich sogar C10" bewerben, mal sagen könnte: "Junge, schau mal aufs Standard grading und überdenke deine Artikelbeschreibung nochmal!" :thefinger:
So ist, wie oben schon beschrieben, das Grading eigentlich witzlos, es sei denn, man kennt die "gradende" Person als zuverlässig und vertrauenswürdig. Dann ist ne C-Angabe hilfreich. Naja, immer wenns ne Kategorisierung gibt, um irgendetwas zu vereinfachen, gibts auch Leute, die`s mißbrauchen, bzw nutzlos machen...

Verfasst: Mo 27. Okt 2008, 23:47
von AlrikFassbauer
Gibt es eigentlich auch A und B -Bewertungen ? C ist ja erst der dritte Buchstabe im Alphabet ...

Verfasst: Mo 27. Okt 2008, 23:51
von norbertvader
AlrikFassbauer hat geschrieben:Gibt es eigentlich auch A und B -Bewertungen ? C ist ja erst der dritte Buchstabe im Alphabet ...
:scratch: Ich weiß nicht ob das ernst gemeint ist, aber "C" steht für Condition also den Zustand. :wink:

Verfasst: Di 28. Okt 2008, 00:01
von AlrikFassbauer
Achso. Ich dachte, man hätte einfach willkürlich irgendwelche Buchstaben genommen.

In der Computerspiel-Industrie spricht man ja auch von "AAA-Titeln" (besonders gute) und es gibt auch noch so Begriffe wie B-Movie und B-Ware ...

Re: C- Bewertungen

Verfasst: Di 28. Okt 2008, 07:08
von Jawatechniker
Fluxe hat geschrieben:Hi Leute
diesmal keine Preisfrage aber könnt Ihr mir mit den C Bewertungen auf die Sprünge helfen.
Es gibt C-1 bis C-9 wo 1 schlecht und 9 perfekt ist oder wie läuft das???
Gibts auch + und - oder andere Buchstaben????
index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=231


Wobei ich persönlich von einer C 9 als bester Stufe ausgehen würde, da selbst Figuren aus MOC`s Farbabschürfungen aufweisen können.

Und für die Zukunft: Zuerst ruhig auch mal die interne Suchmaschine bemühen :wink:

Re: C- Bewertungen

Verfasst: Di 28. Okt 2008, 10:04
von stormtrooper1980
Mir persönlich gehen diese C-Bewertungen am allerwertesten vorbei aus den schon mehrfach genannten Gründen.
Jeder bewertet halt anders was für den einen eine C9 ist ist für den anderen C8 usw.
Ich fahre immer am besten wenn ich meinen eigenen Augen traue, sprich Bilder sind wichtig und ansonsten habe ich lieber eine Beschreibung z.B. bei einer Figur wie folgt:

feste Gelenke?
Kratzer?
komplett oder unkomplett?
wenn Zubehör vorhanden: original oder Repro?

Damit sind Überraschungen im negativen Sinne eigentlich so gut wie ausgeschloßen.

Re: C- Bewertungen

Verfasst: Di 28. Okt 2008, 10:18
von Lafos
The “C” scale system was originally invented by a few collectors in the U.S concerning levels of Card and Packaging conditions for original Star Wars figures and Toys. The “C” which basically stands for ‘Condition’ was most importantly invented for use for Star Wars Carded Figures, describing Card, Bubble, Figure and etc conditions. The “C” Scale ranges from C-10 to C-1, C-9 to C-10 is the best top of the line packaging conditions.
Grading scale for Power of the Force II - TFU:

C-9 The package of the item is in the same fresh condition that it was in when originally shipped from the factory. Flaws may include very minor wear to edges or corners. The toy should be factory sealed unless noted. Overall, this is a near mint to mint condition. Items listed on our website should be C-9 condition unless noted otherwise.

C-8 The package of the item has minor wear. We may see more prevalent shelf wear, minor creasing, or a slight indent(s) to the bubble. The toy should be factory sealed unless noted. Overall, a displayable, but less than perfect condition.

C-7 The package of the item has moderate wear. The packaging may have heavier creasing, more severe bubble indents, a sticker tear, etc. This level of wear is usually unacceptable for a collector who maintains his or her collection in the original packaging. The toy should be factory sealed unless noted.

C-6 The package of the item has heavy wear. The packaging may have tears, creasing, or other severe damage. Generally, we would only recommend this condition to someone who wants to open the package to have a mint complete loose item. The toy should be factory sealed unless noted.

Grading scale for vintage carded items (carded figures are figures still sealed in the original bubble to the original card):

C-9.5 This is the highest grade that we assign to vintage packaged items. A package has to be nearly flawless to be graded C-9.5. We rarely grade figures C-9.5. The item will be free of creasing or noticeable wear of any kind. It may have very slight edgewear (no more than average) and may be punched. The bubble will typically be crystal clear with no sign of yellowing. The overall appearance of the card will be new.

C-9+ This is a very high condition package. The item will probably have 1 slight defect that prevents it from being
C-9.5. This defect may be one of the following:

1. Very slight yellowing to the bubble
2. Very slight wrinkle on the card (perhaps 1 inch)
3. Some edgewear or slight wear around the punch

Typically if an item appears mint, except for being punched and having a price sticker, then we will grade the item C-9+.

C-9 This is a high condition package. Generally speaking, vintage packages graded C-9 or better are very difficult to obtain. The item will probably have 1 slight defect that prevents it from being C-9+. It will probably have 2 of the following defects.

1. Very slight yellowing to the bubble
2. Very slight wrinkle on the card (perhaps 1”)
3. Some edgewear or slight wear around the punch

Or 1 defect that is slightly more severe:

1. Slight/some yellowing to the bubble
2. Slight wrinkle on the card (perhaps 2 inches)
3. More noticeable edgewear or wear around the punch

C-8.5/9 This is an above average condition package. It will have several very minor problems or perhaps one more noticeable problem.

1. Yellowing to the bubble
2. Crease on the card
3. Edgewear or wear around the punch

C-8.5 Still overall clean and displayable condition, but will have some minor to moderate problems. Problems may include those listed above or a very small sticker tear (perhaps 1/8 inch X 1/8 inch) or a small indent to the bubble

C-8 Minor to average wear to the card and bubble. It may have a small sticker tear (1/4 inch X ¼ inch) or a small indent to the bubble, in addition to the problems listed above.

C-7.5 Average wear to the card and bubble. The package may have a larger sticker tear, larger bubble indent, or a more severe combination of the defects listed above. Overall, there will be noticeable defects, but the package will still be displayable.

C-7 Average to below average card and bubble. Problems are more prevalent; perhaps a heavy crease, major bubble dent, a very slight crack to the bubble, or a more severe combination of the defects listed above.

C-6 Below average card and bubble. The figure is still sealed and mint, but the package has wear. This condition is not recommended for display. It is mainly of use to collectors who want to have a packaged figure, but do not want to pay a premium for the packaging. This is considered a low condition.

Below C-6 is considered very low condition. The figure should still be mint and unopened, but the package will have heavy wear.

Our grading scale for vintage boxed items (Boxed items are toys still with their original boxes. The boxes may be opened. The grading scale only pertains to the condition of the box itself, not the toy or the inner packing.):

C-9.5 This is the highest grade that we assign to vintage packaged items. A package has to be nearly flawless to be graded C-9.5. We rarely grade boxes C-9.5. Boxes are graded slightly less strictly than carded figures because there are more potential problems with boxes. (In other words, it is easier to find mint carded figures than mint boxed items). However, it is even more rare for a boxed item to be graded C-9.5 than a carded figure. The item will be free of creasing or noticeable wear. It may have very slight edgewear.

C-9+ This is a very high condition package. The item will probably have one slight defect that prevents it from being C-9.5. This defect may be one of the following:

1. Very slight wrinkle on the box (perhaps 1-2”)
2. Some edgewear

Typically if an item appears mint, other than perhaps a price sticker or slight edgewear, we will grade it C-9+

C-9 This is a high condition box. Generally speaking, vintage packages graded C-9 or better are very difficult to obtain. The item will probably have one slight defect that prevents it from being C-9+. It will probably have both of the following defects, or only 1 of the 2 defects but to a slightly greater degree.

1. Very slight wrinkle on the card (perhaps 1-2”)
2. Some edgewear, or wear to corners

C-8.5/9 This is an above average condition package. It will have several very minor problems or perhaps one more noticeable problem.

1. Crease on the card
2. Edgewear, wear to corners

C-8.5 Overall clean and displayable condition, but will have some minor to moderate problems. Problems may include those listed above or a very small sticker tear (perhaps 1/8 inch X 1/8 inch).

C-8 Minor to average wear to the box. It may have a small sticker tear (1/4” X 1/4”), some creasing to the box, or wear to the edges or corners.

C-7.5 Average wear to the box. Overall, there will be noticeable defects, but the package will still display okay.

C-7 Average to below average box. Problems are more prevalent. Perhaps a heavy crease, sticker tear, or tear to the flap on the box.

C-6 Below average box. The toy is still C-9 (unless noted otherwise), but the package has wear. This condition is not recommended for display. It is mainly of use to collectors who want to have a boxed, but do not want to pay a premium for the packaging. This is considered a low condition.

Below C-6 is considered very low condition. The toy is still C-9 (unless noted otherwise), but the package will have heavy wear.

Our grading scale for vintage loose items (loose items are generally C-9 and complete unless noted otherwise):

C-9 A loose C-9 item is out of the package, complete, and in “like new” condition. There may be very slight paint wear or decal wear, but overall the item should appear clean. This condition could be described as Near Mint to Mint.

C-8 A loose C-8 item is out of the package, complete, and in slightly worn condition. There may be slight to moderate paint wear or decal wear. Overall, the item should appear displayable but not perfect. This condition could be described as Excellent to Near Mint.

C-7 A loose C-7 item is out of the package, complete, and in moderately worn condition. There may be paint wear, decal wear, looseness to arms and legs, discolorment, or other problems. This condition is best for those less concerned with condition, and more interested in simply having the item or in playing with the item.

C-6 A loose C-6 item is out of the package, complete, and in worn condition. There may be more severe paint wear, decal wear, looseness to arms and legs, discolorment, or other problems. This condition is best for those not concerned with condition.
Alternativ für loose figs ...
# C9.5 - Figure is in mint condition, without any visible flaws or defects. Expect a high price because it's very rare to find a figure like this.
# C9.0 - Figure is in near mint condition with very few minor flaws (barely noticeable unless you search hard).
# C8.5 - Figure has some very minor areas of wear and may have small flaws.
# C8.0 - Figure has minor paint/sticker wear, may have minor stains, discoloration, and stress marks but no damage.
# C7.5 - Figure has some play, paint/sticker wear and may have some stains, discoloration and stress marks.
# C7.0 - Figure has play wear, moderate paint/sticker wear and may have moderate stains, discoloration, and stress marks. Figure is still collection worthy up to this point.
# C6.5 - Figure has more play and paint/sticker wear, and may have stains, discoloration, and stress marks. Figure may have a broken part.
# C6.0 - Figure has heavy play wear, paint/sticker wear and may have heavy stains, discoloration, and stress marks. Figure may have one or more broken/repaired parts.
# C5.5 - Figure has heavy wear damage, repairs and stains/discoloration.
# C5.0 - Figure has many flaws, wear, tears, stains/discoloration and may be broken.
# C4.5 - Figure has major flaws, and play wear (tears, stains/discoloration) and may be broken.
# C4.0 - Figure shows severe play wear, damage and may be used for parts.
# C3.5 - Figure has many usable parts and major damage.
# C3.0 - Figure that has some usable parts and major damage.
# C2.5 - Figure that has few usable parts and major damage.
# C2.0 - Figure has very few useable parts and severe damage.
# C1.5 - Figure is in very poor condition.
# C1.0 - Figure cannot be salvaged for parts.
Alternativ ...

C-10:
Means: The Best of the best, the most mint perfect item ever available: in two words: Super Mint! C-10’s are very awkward to grade. This condition means that the packaging is absolutely perfect! There are no faults at all. There are no creases at all (no minor creases anywhere on the packaging at all!). If it’s a Figure, there’s no corner bends on the card. No problems at all on the card or the bubble. Absolutely Mint Perfect Condition. You may never see us ever use the term C-10. For further information (see below under: How The Term Case Fresh Is Used).
C-9:
Means: Almost Mint, almost perfect or near mint to mint. C-9’s are the most commonly used term for new items in this day and age. C-9 also means the item term case fresh (see below under: How The Term Case Fresh Is Used). The C-9 condition means: the item’s packaging is in new condition. The item is in the same fresh looking condition it arrived from the manufacture in or termed case fresh. The only sign of any minor wear is: slight edge or corner creases or just extremely light card surface wrinkle creases. The Plus sign + is given to this grading if the creases or wrinkle to the packaging card are extremely light or not very noticeable. The Plus sign + is also given if the bubble of a carded figure looks to be mint clean. Again if the item is a carded figure, the bubble is not cracked, not damaged, has no price marks, but may have extremely light surface card wrinkle or an extremely minor card crease. C-9 can also be termed near mint to mint condition, in short. If you don’t see a grading on any item we sell then you can rest knowing that it’s a C-9 unless noted. C-9- is given to Cinema Scene 3pks which are termed case fresh but may have a slight plastic bubble wrinkle on the top of the window, the reason why is because most were shipped this way and some were extremely hard to pull from a case without a minor wrinkle crease. If the item listed is a Loose Complete Toy, then it’s clean and like new condition or only displayed not played with, in clean new looking condition. Sometimes we are harsh on grading, so some figures may be better to some collectors.
C-8:
Means: The item is Mint, however it has got wear. C-8 packaging has Minor more established wear. The creasing is more noticeable. Or the packaging may have a slight indent or heavy crease. If a carded figure, there maybe a slight indent to the bubble on the card. There could also be or just have more noticeable wear to the cards corner bottom edge or edges. C-8’s are still displayable but are less then perfect mint. C-8’s might have all above so called problems, or may only have one or two problems. We may have items in this category on near mint card, but have a much more noticeable problem that could be creasing on the Card, some but not many might have a perfect bubble and have a major crease, or the card might be near mint but have a bubble problem. A plus sign + is only given if the wear is minor or only has one problem which places the item in this category like a heavy crease or only a minor Bubble dent or two or maybe just minor wrinkles. As an example a C-8+ could have just bubble dents which are minor and the rest of the card might be looking almost perfect! Or another example is a minor bubble dent or wrinkle with almost a perfect card. Also some times a carded figure may have only been placed in this grading because of either the store display hangar has some minor shelf ware (not ripped or torn off as that's an automatic C-6 see below), or just some very minor self ware to the packaging card. As you can see C-8's can vary in conditions. If you are ever worried contact us before bidding or buying so you know exactly what might be wrong with a specific item condition. C-8’s are extremely common conditions, but do sometimes scare the collector if they are chasing an item without figure bubble or card problems or some kind of shelf wear. Some C-8’s might only have a minor price or surface tear which is less then half a centimetre or up to 3mm, but if that’s the only case with the item then the item will be listed with C-8- micro tear. If a C-8 has a tear- it is listed with a tear. If the ‘tear’ is not listed beside a C-8 item, then rest assured there is no tear at all on that C-8 item. If the listed item is a Loose Complete Toy, then it’s clean but in played with or slightly worn condition.
C-7:
Means: The item packaging has moderate to heavy wear. The packaging may have extremely heavy creasing worst then C-8 or if a carded figure; it may have been folded over with wear which is very noticeable. The bubble will have severe indents or creasing. There will be a price sticker or surface tear on the card either front or back or have a rough card condition, or it could mean the item only has a price tear on the front. Tears larger then 3mm automatically become C-7 regardless of any other card condition at all. A plus sign + is only given if the tear is the only thing wrong with the product or if the bubble is the only thing wrong with the product. Tears are again listed beside the item or marked with (damaged). This condition grade is usually unacceptable for collectors who want to keep items in their personal collections for value at a later date, unless it’s a rare item. C-7: figures (which, if ever listed) marked with ‘holes on card’- means from a stappler only. No C-7 has holes unless noted C-7-.
C-6:
Means: the item packaging has extremely heavy wear and damage. Very Bad Shelf wear. Will have tears, very bad creasing, or other extremely severe damage. It is suggested that you only buy C-6 items for kids, or for buying items for a display or for your own loose complete mint collection. Collectors usually only buy these items for a guaranteed Mint Loose item. These items in C-6 are not recommended for collectors wanting boxed or carded collectibles for later value with this packaging. Some times but not usually you can have a seemly perfect bubbled figure, but the store display hangar at the top of the card which holds the item on a display rank may have been seriously damaged or completely ripped away. Any carded figure missing their display hangar regardless of any of condition is an automatic C-6 or C-5.
C-5:
Means: The item packaging has severe damage. The item contents are still mint, but the packaging is badly damaged. Any carded figure with the C-5 grade will be missing the upc- proof of purchase or bar code. This means someone has cut the box on the back of the card off for special offers etc. Any figure or item missing the upc- proof of purchase or bar code cut from the card is automatically C-5, it does not matter if the bubble is fine or the items box is fine, but once the UPC has been cut off, the packaging has lost any real value down the line. Again these items in the C-5 grade are not recommended for collectors wanting boxed or carded collectibles for later value with its packaging.
C-4 TO C-1:
Means: These lower grades were invented for items without much packaging. The lower grades speak really for themselves. Originally this grade meant your Loose Complete toy was mint but no one really ever uses any grade lower then C-5 anymore. Originally C-4 was a Carded figure with a reattached bubble either glued or sticky tapped back on, or a carded figure with a smashed bubble. This “C” grade also use to mean a boxed toy with some packaging. C-4 down to C-1 does not really mean much anymore. People in now days usually rate the box or packaging separate to there Item inside and give a multiple grading for the item, packaging and if it came with it- the insert packaging for some toys.

Re: C- Bewertungen

Verfasst: Di 28. Okt 2008, 10:54
von elektrolurchie
Na, das ist doch mal ne Zusammenfassung des Themas :hello1:
Damit ist zB für FLUXE alles an Information gesagt, und wer vorher schon nix auf Gradings gegeben hat, dem kanns auch weiterhin egal sein

:wink:

Re: C- Bewertungen

Verfasst: Di 28. Okt 2008, 11:37
von ToyTowers
Ich hätt das ganze auch nochmal in Deutsch mit meinen bescheidenen Grading - Einstufungen :roll:
http://www.toytowers.de/Infos-ueber-Zus ... g:_:9.html

Verfasst: Di 28. Okt 2008, 14:42
von Sidious
Ist schon fast alles gesagt, außer, dass z. B bei dealen der Käufer und der Verkäufer niemals die gleiche Zustandseinschätzung haben. :wink: Klare Sache. Verkäufer will möglichst viel für seine Figur bekommen, der Käufer möglichst wenig dafür zahlen.

Verfasst: Di 28. Okt 2008, 16:13
von AlrikFassbauer
Danke für die Infos !